he voted against that in my opinion he is wrong on the issues in the middle east. but he is right in line i might say with president obama. bill: you said this was many years ago. i'm just wondering, with the passing of time was he able to explain to you fairly and sufficiently why he felt that way? >> i --. bill: and whether or not he perhaps has changed today? >> i don't think that will happen. he has been too consistent. bill, a good time to ask me that question in about six hours from now when the hearing's over. bill: perhaps we can revisit that. he faced opposition from others. whether it was his position on israel or the issue with iran. and others believe because he did not work in the department of defense, that this would be a novel start for a man like this because it hasn't been done that way before. had he worked at the pentagon or dod would your position be different? >> no. actually the, there are other issues too. the global zero movement, are you aware of that? that say we want a world without, without nuclear and yet, we have right now iran develo